The Soul and the Body

Soul and Body

 

We got this question in today so I will address it for the masses to gain understanding on.

 

Question: I need some clarification.... I still am like the remaining Sunday goers on this issue of body and soul and I have come across a few scriptures that further bring questions to my mind.  However today's scripture is in Isaiah 10:18. 

Hope you can shed some light.

 

Isaiah 10 v18

¹⁸And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.

 

So let us gain understanding on this scripture.  Let's began in the book of Micah…

 

Micah 3 v9 says
⁹Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity

 

Okay without explanation let's move over to first Chronicles chapter 16 and read it

1st Chronicles 16 v13-14 says
¹³O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.   ¹⁴He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.

Now let's move over to Exodus chapter 19 and read it…

Exodus 19 v3 says

³And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

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Now what does each of these scriptures say.  They categorize the house of Jacob and the House of Israel and two different entities.  It says the Children of Jacob and the children of Israel.  The house of Jacob and the children of Israel are one of the same. 

So, my point is that we have to pick up on how the Lord speaks.  When He says Ephraim, we know He is still talking about Israel.  When He speaks of Jacob, He is still speaking of Israel.  So could it be when He says soul He is speaking body as well?

So now let's go to Genesis 2 v7 and it says
⁷And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Man became a living soul and entity; so he is it.  Now his body can be part of the entity but it is still part of the same.  Before he was a "living soul" man was a dead soul.

So now let's read Isaiah 10 v18 agains, it says,

¹⁸And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.

Both children of Israel and house of Jacob, both soul and body speaking of the same to BE SURE that the reader understands however way they want to view it; I'm going to destroy the soul or if you call it body, the body. 

Tell the children of Israel, and for those that don't think they are Israel, tell the children of Jacob.  The Lord covered the bases for those that believe they are not Israelites but instead think they are children of Jacob or children of Ephraim and so forth.

 

The Lord in this scripture covers thoses that think body and not soul or think soul and not body.  Isaiah 10 only tells how He will destroy them.

Remember the original, the Lord gave Moses everything face-to-face
Exodus 33 v11
¹¹And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.

Moses didn't dream this stuff; he got it like how I give it to you; like a man speaks to his friend.  So if it says man became a living soul, man is the soul.  His body is just the form he is in.  We have flesh and blood bodies, God has a soul, and his body is a spirit body.

Isaiah 1 v14 says
¹⁴Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. 

The Lord's soul hated what Israel was doing.  Everyone has a soul and everyone has a body, your body determines what kind of being you are; human being or spirit being.  Soul and body are one in the same.  Please let me know if this was helpful or edifying.  Peace and grace in the name of Jesus.

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Man Created to Become God Response

Thank you for your response; you appear to make sense but give me your take on the scripts below…and by the way; I was quoting St. John 10 v34…

 

You said

"The scriptures are not teaching that - also as far as GOD recreating himself.. I would disagree again."

 

In Genesis chapter 1 and 2 God created man and man was IMMORTAL until he disobeyed God, at that point death was brought into the picture, including the second death.  God begins His recovery plan, or plan of salvation to continue to make this man completely like Him.

 

So please tell me how you would answer these scriptures

 

Psalm 82

 ¹God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

 ²How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

 ³Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

 ⁴Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

 ⁵They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

 ⁶I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

 ⁷But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

God stands in the congregation of the mighty and judges among the gods.  If there is only one God, who is God judging?  Now He goes on to show the characteristics of a certain species, like they judge unjustly, they accept wickedness and don't defend the poor and fatherless.  God says they don't understand and walk in darkness.  Now this is what Jesus quoted in verse 6; God said that man are gods and are all children of the Most High (but because of sin) we are dying like men and falling like one of the princes (Satan).

 

Psalm 8

 ⁴What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

 ⁵For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

 ⁶Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

King David ask why God is even concerned with man being that He made us a little lower than the angels in statue because the angels live forever; but God has crowned man with glory and honour.  But the answer is that God made man to have dominion over the works of His hands and has put all things under our feet (really Jesus but soon us if we do it right).

 

What are the works of God's hands, well His hands created the sun, the moon, the universe, the nations, man, animals, etc, and so on.  So we, man, is suppose to have dominion over all of these things.  We should be able to do like Jesus when He told the storm to be still.  Can we do this?  No, not now, not yet because we fail; but Jesus is our redemption and we will be like Him at His coming.

 

If the sun is beaming down to hard, we are suppose to have the power to turn it down like a man turns down the heat in his home.  At the very least pull a cloud in the way of the sun.  We are suppose to judge well because in the future we will judge even angels as mentioned in 1^st Corinthians 6 (v1-3). 

 

Paul told us in Romans chapter 8 (v28-29), "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."  Jesus is the first born from the dead, but He will have man brothers (this includes women remember in the Kingdom there is no male or female) among Him.  If we will be His brothers, and He is God, WHAT DO WE have to be?  God!  The question then is, will you be one? 

 

When Jesus came out of the grave, He told His disciples that all power was given to Him in Heaven and in Earth (Matthew 28 v16-17).  And I got to tell you we will have this same power if we eat of the Tree of Life, which is to follow His commandments, keep His statutes, obey His laws, and love Him and our fellow brother. 

 

These are some scriptures to think about.  Let me know what you think about them; the bible is very conclusive on this topic.

 

You said… "He gave us some similarities, however.. even in our perfect state - Adam - we were not YAHWEH - We created nothing".....

 

Wasn't that the sinful attempt? tempted to be GOD? know good and evil... we didn't know of evil meaning we weren't all-knowing."

 

While this is true, now we have the opportunity to eat from the Tree of Life and avoid the lie that we will be like God knowing good and evil and not die; but we will be able to have Holy Knowledge, and not tainted knowledge of good and evil that was given by Satan (a fallen angel).

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Remember that they wanted to stone Jesus because He said He was the son of God.  If He is the son of God that makes Him God, correct?  Same thing today, if I say I'm a son of God, that makes me god, because I walk in the spirit of God, not that I have ALL POWER like God.  Our day is coming…

 

I would love to rap with you about this via phone if you'd like, but I hope this edifies you my brother.  Peace in Jesus name.

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Paul a Jew or a Gentile?

Question: Is Paul a Jew or Gentile. I thought he was a Gentile because he was from Tarsus; a Turkish province?

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Response: The literal answer is that Paul is neither a Jew or a Gentile. However, he'd be under the banner of a Jew more than anything else. Why I say this is below... Paul was an Israelite. Because God speaks to the world through His chosen people which are His priest, Paul had to be an Israelite (sometimes put under the banner of Jews). So there is an advantage to being a Jew or Israelite

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Romans 3

¹What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

²Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

³For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

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So we see God gave the Israelite the answers of God. Paul had to be a Jew (Israelite) to get the answers of God in order to teach. Furthermore...

Listen to Paul's prayer here

Romans 9

¹I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

²That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

³For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

⁴Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

⁵Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Paul says he wish he could be cut off from Christ if his brothers would be saved...his brothers in the flesh (not spirit) who are Israelite.

So this let's us get closer to the fact (if it is not a fact already) that Paul was an Israelite...

Romans 11

¹I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Paul was an Israelite, originally named Saul after the first flesh king of Israel, King Saul. The Gentiles gave him the name Paul. However, Paul was a Benjamite; which are not Jews. Jews come from the son Judah, however, Benjamites and Jews lived together in Southern Israel and were clumped together under the banner Jew because Judah was the Kingdom.

This the last scriptural reference...

in Philippians chapter 3

³For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

⁴Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

⁵Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

⁶Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Paul let's the people know he is a real deal Hebrew, he was circumcised on the 8th day, from the stock of Israel, the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews, he kept the law, nearly blameless, even was a Pharisee. So there we have it. Paul was no Gentile, he was just chosen among the priest of God to teach the Gentiles.

Peace and grace


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Abraham's Lineage as it Relates to the Bible

Question: What was ABRAM in terms of his genealogy or his ethnic background as far as the bible states?

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Response: Abram, later changed to Abraham is a Hebrew from the lineage of Shem, the son of Noah. Read below...

^{Genesis Chapter 10}

²¹Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.

²²The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.

²³And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.

²⁴And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.

²⁵And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

²⁶And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,

²⁷And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,

²⁸And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,

²⁹And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.

³⁰And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east.

³¹These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.

³²These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

Genesis Chapter 11

¹⁰These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

¹¹And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

¹²And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

¹³And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

¹⁴And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

¹⁵And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

¹⁶And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

¹⁷And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.

¹⁸And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

¹⁹And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.

²⁰And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

²¹And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.

²²And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

²³And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

²⁴And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

²⁵And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.

²⁶And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

²⁷Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot

Now we see that Abram came from Terah who came from Eber (generations in between); and Eber is the father of the Hebrews. That is why it really probably is Ebrew, but all in all they are the sons of Shem, who was a son of Noah, and Noah is a son of Adam, the son of God.

Peace and grace...
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Bible Response to Devin

This is excellent Devin, you’ve made some valid points, except you missed a few things.

Matt 28 v1

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(1In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre)

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The end of the Sabbath is approaching and the first day of the week is beginning

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(5And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

6He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.)

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The Lord had ALREADY risen; He was out of the grave before the first day of the week Devin.

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Let's go to Mark 16

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(Mark 16

1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

3And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

4And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

5And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

6And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.)

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The point is that just because I find you dead on Sunday does not mean you died on Sunday. So just because Mary came to check on the Lord on SUNday does not mean He rose on SUNday. He was already gone.

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Further He did not die on a Friday because St. John 19 v31 tells us this…

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³¹The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

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So yes, He was killed the day before a Sabbath day, but it was a high Sabbath day. Do you know the difference?

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Let’s go to Leviticus 23

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Leviticus 23

¹And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

²Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

³Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

⁴These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

⁵In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

⁶And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

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The Lord was killed on Passover, the 14^th day and the following day is the Feast of Unleavened Bread, a High Sabbath Day. If you read the rest of Leviticus you’ll find that there are 7 High Sabbaths that can fall on any day of the week annually. This particular High Sabbath fell on a Thursday, Jesus was killed on Wednesday, He did the 3 days and 3 nights in the grave rising just before or as the sun went down on Saturday; the women came to check on Him Sunday and found HE WAS GONE! Praise the Lord

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You’d have to dig into the Old Testament to find out about this, many miss it Devin, so don’t feel alone, God has blessed you to see this today. And you’re right, the same organization that gave me SUNday gave me the Bible, they gave me the “trinity” they told me the dead are in heaven, the same people said the earth was flat, and they give prescription drugs today that don’t heal. Do I take everything they say… heck no.

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God blessed us that they left the bible in tact, sure they through out many books; but we have enough books left to learn how to get salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord. I hope this edified you, grace and peace in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Call me if you ever want to talk more about the scriptures Devin, my number is on my facebook account.

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Peace